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Jun 1, 2005, 5:42 PM

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My ex sister in-law is being maniacal about giving her kids medication, and honestly I think they are being way overmedicated. I never see them wheezing, they run around outside, run track, bike, skate, etc and never complain. When my brother has them, he doesn't give them meds and they are fine (actually better, not drowsy, more energetic, play more outside). Now she is threatening to sue him if he doesn't give them the meds. He is seeking a second opinion from another Dr, but she is against that for some odd reason.

For example this is what they are taking: Does this seem like alot???

Boy, age 12

8 A.M. meds - Advair inhaler, 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment

3 P.M. meds - 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment

9 P.M. meds - 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment, claritin, nose spray, Advair inhaler



Girl, age 10

8 A.M. meds - Flovent inhaler (3 puffs), 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment

3 P.M. meds - 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment

9 P.M. meds - 1.5 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment, claritin, nose spray, Flovent inhaler (3 puffs)





Girl, age 7

8 A.M. meds - Flovent inhaler (3 puffs), 1 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment, EYE DROPS

3 P.M. meds - 1 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment, EYE DROPS

9 P.M. meds - 1 tsp. albuterol, breathing treatment, claritin, nose spray, Flovent inhaler (3 puffs), EYE DROPS Frown


bgilley
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Jun 6, 2005, 11:55 AM

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Definitely get a second opinion. Our little one has been one Prevacid, Zyrtec, and baby zantac off and on for the better part of 5 or 6 months. We are getting appointments at an ear, nose, and throat specialist (or ENT), and also a few other areas looked at as some of the problems relate to allergies.

albuterol medication can be a pretty intense as far as side effects. My personal opinion is that children should be thoroughly examined and followed while they are on medication treatments as they can be mis-diagnosed or given medication that could cause other issues later on.
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Aug 10, 2005, 9:44 AM

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I read this, and without a diagnosis for the children, it's hard to say.

Most of the medications seem to be breathing treatments, and stopping them, as your brother has done, is potentially dangerous, and certainly NOT in the child's best interest. He (and you) are playing doctor, without knowing all the facts.

Perhaps your ex sister-in-law went through "hell" to get the kids stabilized so that they *could* run and play all day. She is fearful of the potentially tragic (sudden death) consequences of your stopping or failing to give the medication that enables breathing.

There is a saying in medicine -- "Breathing is good."

And a corollary, "Without oxygen, life itself is impossible."

That means giving heart compressions if the breathing is comprmised does little. Remember, in the ABC's it's AIRWAY, BREATHING, compression. 2 of the 3 are OXYGEN.

What scares me most about this post is that you would even *consider* stopping a medication as essential and lifesaving as albuterol simply because YOU think the children are over medicated.

In tihs case, unless your brother is a doctor, and has legal custody of the kids (which it seems he is not, nor does not) your ex sister-in-law is within in her right to sue him for endangerment and potentially remove his right for unsupervised visits. (I'm not a lawyer, but failing to give kids medicaitons such as breathing treatmens, insulin, tegretol, etc is not looked upon favorably by the courts.)

If you brother has partial custody, he can get his lawyers to make the ex bring the kids in for a second opinion. If the second agrees, he's potentially liable for not giving the kids the medicaitons (so it's a double edged sword). Same goes for if he does not have custody -- he can call CYF but risks losing ANY unsupervised contact if the second opinion supports the need for medications.

If the second opinion doesn't agree, then a third opinion and long court battle are potentially inevitable. But if the second opinion DOES agree.... you've publically posted his not giving needed/essential medications.

Be careful when dealing with children. Your *opinions* don't matter (right or wrong.) You need MEDICAL, LEGAL or other OFFICIAL support and documentations.

But, I must repeat here for EVERYONE, simply stopping life-sustaining medications (or any medication) because YOU feel it's not needed is just as evil, if not worse, than what you claim to be trying to prevent. Without knowing the child's (or anyones" full history, making a diagnosis based on your own OPINIONS is foolish and selfish, and potentially dangerous to the child (or other) medically and to you (legally).

Most children are UNDER medicated, because people feel they will "grow out of it" or other misguided impressions. Nothing magical occurs when a child turns 14 and becomes an "adult" in medicine, or at 18 just because they are legally an adult.

It's a continuum and transitions occur slowly.

Stopping ANY medication abrutptly is usually not good, and stopping chronic medications abruptly is usually bad.

Stopping medications like albuterol, flonase, claritin, etc abruptly can cause a REBOUND effect that will make the underlying disease (allergies, asthma, etc) WORSE, and potentially lead to tragic consequences.

>> Now she is threatening to sue him if he doesn't
>> give them the meds. He is seeking a second
>> opinion from another Dr, but she is against that
>> for some odd reason.

I have to side with your ex-sister-in-law on this, and against you and your brother UNLESS you have proof (medical, doctors, charts) that what you FEEL is wrong, really is.

Why she doesn't want the second opinion is potentially to prevent confusion in treatment, as a second opinion often makes things worse (a man with one watch knows what time it is, a man with two is never sure.). But, the *ONLY* action your brother should take is to push for the second opinion, and to give the medications as prescribed until he has some LEGAL recourse otherwise. If anything happens to the kids while in his care, for not giving medications, the consequences for him would be severe (not to mention to the children).

Just some thoughts for those reading this thread, as well. Do not take it into your own hands to stop or change medications without a FULL HISTORY and without medical advice and a doctor's orders (written). There is often more to the story than you know, and more to balancing medications for the best quality of life without risk of illness.


bkdaniels
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Aug 11, 2005, 11:58 AM

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Hey Guest, how are you doing?

If these medications are used for treating respiratory problems due to asthma and chronic bronchitis, and your ex sister in-law is not using more than the recommended dose, use double or extra doses, it is reccommended inhalers be used regularly as prescribed to help control your symptoms and that your check with your health care professional before stopping or starting any of your medicines. If the children miss a dose, it is recommended that you use it as soon as you remember.

Nevertheless, your local posion control can help you with medication errors and medication misuse. You may find your local posion control center by visiting your local telephone directory or by calling 1-800-222-1222.

REFERENCES
Express Scripts (DrugDigest.org): Advair

American Association Of Posion Control Centers: Find Your Poison Center

National Capital Poison Center

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smithn
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Aug 12, 2005, 5:17 AM

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I read this, and without a diagnosis for the children, it's hard to say.

Most of the medications seem to be breathing treatments, and stopping them, as your brother has done, is potentially dangerous, and certainly NOT in the child's best interest. He (and you) are playing doctor, without knowing all the facts.

Perhaps your ex sister-in-law went through "hell" to get the kids stabilized so that they *could* run and play all day. She is fearful of the potentially tragic (sudden death) consequences of your stopping or failing to give the medication that enables breathing.

There is a saying in medicine -- "Breathing is good."

And a corollary, "Without oxygen, life itself is impossible."

That means giving heart compressions if the breathing is comprmised does little. Remember, in the ABC's it's AIRWAY, BREATHING, compression. 2 of the 3 are OXYGEN.

What scares me most about this post is that you would even *consider* stopping a medication as essential and lifesaving as albuterol simply because YOU think the children are over medicated.

In tihs case, unless your brother is a doctor, and has legal custody of the kids (which it seems he is not, nor does not) your ex sister-in-law is within in her right to sue him for endangerment and potentially remove his right for unsupervised visits. (I'm not a lawyer, but failing to give kids medicaitons such as breathing treatmens, insulin, tegretol, etc is not looked upon favorably by the courts.)

If you brother has partial custody, he can get his lawyers to make the ex bring the kids in for a second opinion. If the second agrees, he's potentially liable for not giving the kids the medicaitons (so it's a double edged sword). Same goes for if he does not have custody -- he can call CYF but risks losing ANY unsupervised contact if the second opinion supports the need for medications.

If the second opinion doesn't agree, then a third opinion and long court battle are potentially inevitable. But if the second opinion DOES agree.... you've publically posted his not giving needed/essential medications.

Be careful when dealing with children. Your *opinions* don't matter (right or wrong.) You need MEDICAL, LEGAL or other OFFICIAL support and documentations.

But, I must repeat here for EVERYONE, simply stopping life-sustaining medications (or any medication) because YOU feel it's not needed is just as evil, if not worse, than what you claim to be trying to prevent. Without knowing the child's (or anyones" full history, making a diagnosis based on your own OPINIONS is foolish and selfish, and potentially dangerous to the child (or other) medically and to you (legally).

Most children are UNDER medicated, because people feel they will "grow out of it" or other misguided impressions. Nothing magical occurs when a child turns 14 and becomes an "adult" in medicine, or at 18 just because they are legally an adult.

It's a continuum and transitions occur slowly.

Stopping ANY medication abrutptly is usually not good, and stopping chronic medications abruptly is usually bad.

Stopping medications like albuterol, flonase, claritin, etc abruptly can cause a REBOUND effect that will make the underlying disease (allergies, asthma, etc) WORSE, and potentially lead to tragic consequences.

>> Now she is threatening to sue him if he doesn't
>> give them the meds. He is seeking a second
>> opinion from another Dr, but she is against that
>> for some odd reason.

I have to side with your ex-sister-in-law on this, and against you and your brother UNLESS you have proof (medical, doctors, charts) that what you FEEL is wrong, really is.

Why she doesn't want the second opinion is potentially to prevent confusion in treatment, as a second opinion often makes things worse (a man with one watch knows what time it is, a man with two is never sure.). But, the *ONLY* action your brother should take is to push for the second opinion, and to give the medications as prescribed until he has some LEGAL recourse otherwise. If anything happens to the kids while in his care, for not giving medications, the consequences for him would be severe (not to mention to the children).

Just some thoughts for those reading this thread, as well. Do not take it into your own hands to stop or change medications without a FULL HISTORY and without medical advice and a doctor's orders (written). There is often more to the story than you know, and more to balancing medications for the best quality of life without risk of illness. I agree with this person, completely. -smithn



CounselorPaul
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Aug 25, 2005, 2:41 PM

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There is an awesome planner and organization tool for those having to take many medications. I have seen it! It really helps you manage your medications, their cost and who is paying for them such as yourself, Medicare, insurance, etc. Their website is www.theguidetogoodcare.com


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Dec 5, 2006, 8:25 PM

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Stopping ANY medication abrutptly is usually not good, and stopping chronic medications abruptly is usually bad.

Stopping medications like albuterol, flonase, claritin, etc abruptly can cause a REBOUND effect that will make the underlying disease (allergies, asthma, etc) WORSE, and potentially lead to tragic consequences.

>> Now she is threatening to sue him if he doesn't
>> give them the meds. He is seeking a second
>> opinion from another Dr, but she is against that
>> for some odd reason.

I have to side with your ex-sister-in-law on this, and against you and your brother UNLESS you have proof (medical, doctors, charts) that what you FEEL is wrong, really is.

Why she doesn't want the second opinion is potentially to prevent confusion in treatment, as a second opinion often makes things worse [..]

Just some thoughts for those reading this thread, as well. Do not take it into your own hands to stop or change medications without a FULL HISTORY and without medical advice and a doctor's orders (written). There is often more to the story than you know, and more to balancing medications for the best quality of life without risk of illness. I agree with this person, completely. -smithn



I agree wholeheartedly with the replies. You cannot screw around with asthma treatments. To suddenly take the kids off the regimen they've been prescribed (and that apparently works) is reckless. They may look fine, but sudden withdrawal of meds will make the kids vulnerable to any potential asthma trigger. This could mean a little more wheezing when they roll on the grass, or it could be a life-threatening emergency. Forget about losing custody, how about losing a child to a treatable disease? Even if the father's intuitions are correct and the kids' meds need adjusting, this should be left to a respiratory specialist (NOT a pediatrician) to determine. If the doctor believes a medication or dosage change is necessary she or he will supervise the process to minimize the risk of rebound attacks.

I have to think the father's never been through a bad attack with any of the kids or he'd be a lot better informed about asthma. I wouldn't blame the mother --or ANY concerned relative-- for taking legal action to protect the kids.


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Dec 8, 2006, 2:55 AM

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Sometimes children really need to take medications, but a lot of people give their children medications whin children do not need them at all http://www.medicsweb.com/

 
 
 


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